And there I was in my absolute ignorance, thinking Horacegate, Jane Whittaker shilling for investment and Richard being in bits, was as low as the bar would go.
But Barcadia and now this, has kicked all these into the long grass.
I’m so glad my missus convinced me to get out of gaming..
Haha. Lady D and the Barcadia mod must be breathing a sigh of relief that davey P has popped out of nowhere and trumped all of their shithousing 10 fold.
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Anthony
11 months ago
His YouTube video about this is a brilliant watch.
He suggests an annual award ceremony comparable to the Grammy’s or Emmy’s. 🙂
Looks to me like he needs to raise cash to get a decent video camera. Why go to all the trouble with a rendered intro and music, then have a 1998 Quickcam style video? Is he recording the video on an Amiga?
Can you imagine Dave P going on Dragon’s Den? “It’s a central site for Amiga computers”. The dragons would be like “What, that computer that’s not been sold on the market for about 29 years?” “I’m out”.
The only thing the Amiga community is good for is as a punching bag for all the other communities to pile onto. It’s been a dumpster fire for the past quarter of a century. I feel dirty when I admit to liking the Amiga because the community has more dicks than a surgeon that specialises in gender reassignment surgery.
i have a different view of it mate BUT i only really associate with graeme who runs this site and made devil’s temple etc and is a really nice person and also i know codetapper well and he’s also a really nice person. they both know so much about amiga stuff that i don’t really need to speak to other people, i know they have some things to say about certain folks but for me that’s all the amiga community i need as they’re both really highly regarded people and as i said between them they know most things that need to be known !
There are plenty of good eggs in the Amiga community, such as Graeme and Codetapper. But there are an awful lot of dickheads in it as well. Way more than most other retro communities. About the only other communities that come close to the ratio of twats the Amiga community suffered from are the ZX Spectrum and Nintendo communities.
The Amiga community for the most part is fine just as good as any other but you do get cockwombles(a lot of cockwombles). The worst community by far is the DOS gaming lot but yet again not all are bad. The best thing to happen to the Amiga community was the Minimig, Amiga mini and such like before those if you mentioned Amiga emulation they would rise up with torch and pointy sticks. I think the increase in numbers from emulation helped calm down the grouchy doddering old fanboys and brought in more laid back members kinda like the B’s from the alphabet people(If you get the reference send in your answer on a stamp addressed post card).
As has already been said; there are dicks in any community, it’s just the amiga community is so big the number of dicks is larger than other smaller ones (the dick ratio is probably the same for any given format, except maybe the Falcon; both those guys seem ok)… I’m regretting using dick as an analogy now, and using the word analogy. Anyway, my point is I doubt the genuine enthusiasts will get behind this as, as George already said, everything information and help-wise is already offered and available at no cost due to some thing called ‘the internet’ so I can only imagine anyone who would back this would do so to feel ‘exclusive’, and I’m not going to make a comparison to amiga users on that level even as an ST fan as that would just be childish (but I am fighting the urge to do so).
Although I have little nostalgia for the amiga (the A1200 was great though) I respect it and (most of) it’s fans and I think that respect is also present within the community.
I had a C64 from 84-87 and I tend to have nostalgia for that. Got my A500 in 1987 and stuck with it until about 1999 when I built my first PC. I loved the demo scene and had a lot of fun but C64 years were just more magical to me.
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Preston Thomas
11 months ago
To me it all sounds like a cash grab for them and for fuck all for the rest of us.
There are loads of Amiga communities on the net like Lemon Amiga, English Amiga Board or even Amiga.org. If that’s not your thing then look on social media like Facebook with their groups.
There is no way this is done as a good hearted thing, and RMC wanted to see what people thought because he thought there was cash there for him.
If this goes through, then its another stain on the UK retro community and not just the Amiga community.
i am actually not sure if it WILL go through as there’s already a lot of ill feeling about it. with barcadia people were either mostly behind it or mostly MEH, there wasn’t outrage from the off really. with this i know it’s pissed off a LOT of people in the amiga scene, good people with a lot of connections, and people on the internet certainly talk to one another and this isn’t being spoken about well. i meant to mention in the video but i discussed this with graeme about a month or two back when it was being mooted and david’s thing was that he said he was definitely NOT going to do a kickstarter as it wasn’t needed, now all of a sudden he’s asking for 15 grand lol !?
Just getting fed up with people associated with the retro world. This morning I saw Ashens had done a PS1 video. I’m unsubbed from his channel now but it appeared in the sidebar and thought I’d give it a look only for him to now be pushing CEX in adverts all over the place now. I stopped at the advert.
On the button as usual George – and passionately expressed! Just like Barcadia, it’s not just the grift itself that sickens me – it’s the horrible precedent it sets should this dogshit idea be successful. I would like to think that the community as a whole have the brains to see through this, but as per the Barcadia fiasco, I’m likely to disappointed I think. It could also give ‘Mr Atari’ the idea of setting up his own community – imagine that! 😂
Lol – that would be brilliant George – Kieran running a whole community sock puppets answering his own questions, engaging in discussions with himself and recommending his own books 😂
it is bizarre mate they are literally offering nothing new i mean they can’t honestly say that the people involved will not already have their own net presence on the go, or do they genuinely think the world is full of unsung amiga geniuses/vendors/fans/product designers/repair techs who’re all of a sudden going to just appear out of thin air AND be exclusive to their one platform ? it’s a fucking pipe dream mate a CRACK pipe dream !
Big Davey P claims he was the brains behind the hugely successful Amiga 500 Batman bundle.
Much like Bertrand Russell’s tea pot theory… there’s no one around / alive to disprove it, therefore it must be true.
He did a kickstarter book about it. In summary; all the successful parts of the Amiga were thanks to him, and all the bad decisions were made by Mehdi Ali.
After spending a lot of his time at retro and amiga events hocking his book, he realised that everyone really craved an Amiga successor.
So he wrote another book about commodore engineers working in secret on a mythical machine 10x more powerful than the PS1.
And now this….
He’s a used car salesman who plays the numbers game.
He has waited until all the other big players where dead and has now written his version of Commodore history where he plays the hero, who almost saved the company
a lot of people like this appearing in retro gaming now as you say people pop their clogs and all of a sudden they start collecting accolades/making outrageous claims that no-one is around to dispute. strange that they all seem to wait until they’re the last man standing to hit out with this stuff. having said that the batman pack was really cool and definitely sold a lot of amigas but it was what 35 years ago or something ?? who cares !?
It’s well known that Medhi Ali ran Commodore into the ground. Though it’s also well known that David Pleasance is a salesman. That said, I think Pleasance was much better for Commodore than Ali.
I actually feel like their bid for Commodore stood more of a chance of delivering something, by that point using off the shelf parts was the only option though.
Medhi Ali is comically still saying he turned Commodore around on his online business profiles haha.
I only “know” Mr Pleasance from the times I have encountered him at various events so my impression is that he feels that his glory days with Commodore did not feather his nest sufficiently, at least not as he feels they should have done and he is now feeling slighted and somewhat aggrieved.
His is milking what he seems to believe is a cash-cow for all its worth. Telling his Commodore related anecdotes to anyone willing to listen and/or willing to pay for the privilege.
I have heard in the last few days that not only is he rattling the cages of all and sundry with this latest pointless Kickstarter scam but that he has yet to deliver the last two crowd funded titles.
Its the strangest thing I have ever seen. They want £15k for a forum so its 1995 again then. What’s wrong with EAB, Lemon Amiga, Facebook, Discord, etc. No KS video, not able to make comments without backing first. Dave P has been busy spamming FB with testimonials about himself for some reason. Well Amiga Bill is involved because of he is of course he is. CATS is what the support team was called when Commodore still around, he must think he is being clever from his time at Commodore
The part that got me was that they didnt give a figure for running costs.
Surely they know a ballpark figure?
But, instead they want 35% of the pot.
So, say, somehow, the gods grant their wish and it has, say, 100,000 users.
I think they want €40 a year?
So, 35% of €4,000,000 is a crazy €1.4 million
They think thats reasonable?!
Are they trying to help the community, or get rich off it?
And, as for their marketplace, eBay has a protection scheme – what will they offer to prevent, eg, someone selling me an A1200, but it doesnt arrive, or did, but is broken – who intervenes, who do I chase for my money back?
All questions Id want to ask – and get answers to, before I backed it, but, nope, back us, or get to f….
the amiga community doesn’t actually need any help, certainly not of this kind. it’s a nonsense. this is prime wizard of oz stuff, it’s just a load of pomp and circumstance then behind the curtain it’s just some daft old tit hoarding a load of crap that’s meaningless to anyone but himself. oh, and he also wants to take everyone’s money.
it’s bizarre mate when i saw “a new AGA era” or whatever it says i thought they were doing a new system. i mean, it would be ill advised but it’d be SOMETHING. as it is, they’re doing NOTHING and we’re expected to foot the bill and basically build it ? NO
AGA was always a stop gap hack of ECS meant to plug the gap until AAA came out. But AAA took so long that it would have been a bit too late. So they started to look at other options that would have been quicker to release. The next gen Amiga chipset should have been in development after the A1000 came out.
Oh and the Vampire Standalone offers an improved classic Amiga. Faster CPU, 16-bit sound etc. Using an FPGA means it’s running on real hardware and can be improved.
And there I was in my absolute ignorance, thinking Horacegate, Jane Whittaker shilling for investment and Richard being in bits, was as low as the bar would go.
But Barcadia and now this, has kicked all these into the long grass.
I’m so glad my missus convinced me to get out of gaming..
Barcadia has at least opened and provides something, quite where the kickstarter money went nobody knows. If it will last 5 minutes is another story.
Haha. Lady D and the Barcadia mod must be breathing a sigh of relief that davey P has popped out of nowhere and trumped all of their shithousing 10 fold.
His YouTube video about this is a brilliant watch.
He suggests an annual award ceremony comparable to the Grammy’s or Emmy’s. 🙂
There are two more! Even better!
David Pleasance … The gift that keeps on giving. 🙂
Looks to me like he needs to raise cash to get a decent video camera. Why go to all the trouble with a rendered intro and music, then have a 1998 Quickcam style video? Is he recording the video on an Amiga?
This is my favourite comment.
We could call them the Golden Grift awards.
Can you imagine Dave P going on Dragon’s Den? “It’s a central site for Amiga computers”. The dragons would be like “What, that computer that’s not been sold on the market for about 29 years?” “I’m out”.
The only thing the Amiga community is good for is as a punching bag for all the other communities to pile onto. It’s been a dumpster fire for the past quarter of a century. I feel dirty when I admit to liking the Amiga because the community has more dicks than a surgeon that specialises in gender reassignment surgery.
i have a different view of it mate BUT i only really associate with graeme who runs this site and made devil’s temple etc and is a really nice person and also i know codetapper well and he’s also a really nice person. they both know so much about amiga stuff that i don’t really need to speak to other people, i know they have some things to say about certain folks but for me that’s all the amiga community i need as they’re both really highly regarded people and as i said between them they know most things that need to be known !
There are plenty of good eggs in the Amiga community, such as Graeme and Codetapper. But there are an awful lot of dickheads in it as well. Way more than most other retro communities. About the only other communities that come close to the ratio of twats the Amiga community suffered from are the ZX Spectrum and Nintendo communities.
Was listening to an old Retro Hour episode the other day and couldn’t believe that two ex Commodore UK guys (FriendUp) had given work to Dan Wood.
The Amiga community for the most part is fine just as good as any other but you do get cockwombles(a lot of cockwombles). The worst community by far is the DOS gaming lot but yet again not all are bad. The best thing to happen to the Amiga community was the Minimig, Amiga mini and such like before those if you mentioned Amiga emulation they would rise up with torch and pointy sticks. I think the increase in numbers from emulation helped calm down the grouchy doddering old fanboys and brought in more laid back members kinda like the B’s from the alphabet people(If you get the reference send in your answer on a stamp addressed post card).
As has already been said; there are dicks in any community, it’s just the amiga community is so big the number of dicks is larger than other smaller ones (the dick ratio is probably the same for any given format, except maybe the Falcon; both those guys seem ok)… I’m regretting using dick as an analogy now, and using the word analogy. Anyway, my point is I doubt the genuine enthusiasts will get behind this as, as George already said, everything information and help-wise is already offered and available at no cost due to some thing called ‘the internet’ so I can only imagine anyone who would back this would do so to feel ‘exclusive’, and I’m not going to make a comparison to amiga users on that level even as an ST fan as that would just be childish (but I am fighting the urge to do so).
Although I have little nostalgia for the amiga (the A1200 was great though) I respect it and (most of) it’s fans and I think that respect is also present within the community.
I had a C64 from 84-87 and I tend to have nostalgia for that. Got my A500 in 1987 and stuck with it until about 1999 when I built my first PC. I loved the demo scene and had a lot of fun but C64 years were just more magical to me.
To me it all sounds like a cash grab for them and for fuck all for the rest of us.
There are loads of Amiga communities on the net like Lemon Amiga, English Amiga Board or even Amiga.org. If that’s not your thing then look on social media like Facebook with their groups.
There is no way this is done as a good hearted thing, and RMC wanted to see what people thought because he thought there was cash there for him.
If this goes through, then its another stain on the UK retro community and not just the Amiga community.
i am actually not sure if it WILL go through as there’s already a lot of ill feeling about it. with barcadia people were either mostly behind it or mostly MEH, there wasn’t outrage from the off really. with this i know it’s pissed off a LOT of people in the amiga scene, good people with a lot of connections, and people on the internet certainly talk to one another and this isn’t being spoken about well. i meant to mention in the video but i discussed this with graeme about a month or two back when it was being mooted and david’s thing was that he said he was definitely NOT going to do a kickstarter as it wasn’t needed, now all of a sudden he’s asking for 15 grand lol !?
Just getting fed up with people associated with the retro world. This morning I saw Ashens had done a PS1 video. I’m unsubbed from his channel now but it appeared in the sidebar and thought I’d give it a look only for him to now be pushing CEX in adverts all over the place now. I stopped at the advert.
You’d think Ashens would put some his sweet CEX money into buying himself a new sofa.
Surprised he’s not been over to Turkey and come back with a hair transplant that looks like the sofa.
On the button as usual George – and passionately expressed! Just like Barcadia, it’s not just the grift itself that sickens me – it’s the horrible precedent it sets should this dogshit idea be successful. I would like to think that the community as a whole have the brains to see through this, but as per the Barcadia fiasco, I’m likely to disappointed I think. It could also give ‘Mr Atari’ the idea of setting up his own community – imagine that! 😂
lol i doubt the wotsit could set up a lego model with 2 pieces let alone a community ! plus, a town full of sockpuppets is going to be pretty empty !
Lol – that would be brilliant George – Kieran running a whole community sock puppets answering his own questions, engaging in discussions with himself and recommending his own books 😂
running around doing costume changes and positioning mirrors around the place so he could see loads of versions of himself.
That’s his next book. The A-Z of Wotsit sock puppet accounts.
I set myself the challenge of trying not to laugh out loud at the video. You got me with insert last decade photo. I lost it at that one.
lol mate good stuff :p
I think you meant Lady, but Last Decade is a great nickname.
Another corker George.
There is no way I would pay for something that is quite evidently not only in existence already but costs bugger all as well.
it is bizarre mate they are literally offering nothing new i mean they can’t honestly say that the people involved will not already have their own net presence on the go, or do they genuinely think the world is full of unsung amiga geniuses/vendors/fans/product designers/repair techs who’re all of a sudden going to just appear out of thin air AND be exclusive to their one platform ? it’s a fucking pipe dream mate a CRACK pipe dream !
If anyone was in any doubt as to whether his Amiga Batman pack story was real or bullshit, I’d say we all now know.
do tell mate ?
Big Davey P claims he was the brains behind the hugely successful Amiga 500 Batman bundle.
Much like Bertrand Russell’s tea pot theory… there’s no one around / alive to disprove it, therefore it must be true.
He did a kickstarter book about it. In summary; all the successful parts of the Amiga were thanks to him, and all the bad decisions were made by Mehdi Ali.
After spending a lot of his time at retro and amiga events hocking his book, he realised that everyone really craved an Amiga successor.
So he wrote another book about commodore engineers working in secret on a mythical machine 10x more powerful than the PS1.
And now this….
He’s a used car salesman who plays the numbers game.
He has waited until all the other big players where dead and has now written his version of Commodore history where he plays the hero, who almost saved the company
emphasis on “almost” and now he’s here to put the final nail in the coffin of the legacy !
a lot of people like this appearing in retro gaming now as you say people pop their clogs and all of a sudden they start collecting accolades/making outrageous claims that no-one is around to dispute. strange that they all seem to wait until they’re the last man standing to hit out with this stuff. having said that the batman pack was really cool and definitely sold a lot of amigas but it was what 35 years ago or something ?? who cares !?
It’s well known that Medhi Ali ran Commodore into the ground. Though it’s also well known that David Pleasance is a salesman. That said, I think Pleasance was much better for Commodore than Ali.
I actually feel like their bid for Commodore stood more of a chance of delivering something, by that point using off the shelf parts was the only option though.
Medhi Ali is comically still saying he turned Commodore around on his online business profiles haha.
I only “know” Mr Pleasance from the times I have encountered him at various events so my impression is that he feels that his glory days with Commodore did not feather his nest sufficiently, at least not as he feels they should have done and he is now feeling slighted and somewhat aggrieved.
His is milking what he seems to believe is a cash-cow for all its worth. Telling his Commodore related anecdotes to anyone willing to listen and/or willing to pay for the privilege.
I have heard in the last few days that not only is he rattling the cages of all and sundry with this latest pointless Kickstarter scam but that he has yet to deliver the last two crowd funded titles.
He did talk about seeing an Amiga with dolby 5.1 surround etc. I can’t imagine it was dolby 5.1 as that didn’t exist yet. Surround sound perhaps.
Its the strangest thing I have ever seen. They want £15k for a forum so its 1995 again then. What’s wrong with EAB, Lemon Amiga, Facebook, Discord, etc. No KS video, not able to make comments without backing first. Dave P has been busy spamming FB with testimonials about himself for some reason. Well Amiga Bill is involved because of he is of course he is. CATS is what the support team was called when Commodore still around, he must think he is being clever from his time at Commodore
The part that got me was that they didnt give a figure for running costs.
Surely they know a ballpark figure?
But, instead they want 35% of the pot.
So, say, somehow, the gods grant their wish and it has, say, 100,000 users.
I think they want €40 a year?
So, 35% of €4,000,000 is a crazy €1.4 million
They think thats reasonable?!
Are they trying to help the community, or get rich off it?
And, as for their marketplace, eBay has a protection scheme – what will they offer to prevent, eg, someone selling me an A1200, but it doesnt arrive, or did, but is broken – who intervenes, who do I chase for my money back?
All questions Id want to ask – and get answers to, before I backed it, but, nope, back us, or get to f….
the amiga community doesn’t actually need any help, certainly not of this kind. it’s a nonsense. this is prime wizard of oz stuff, it’s just a load of pomp and circumstance then behind the curtain it’s just some daft old tit hoarding a load of crap that’s meaningless to anyone but himself. oh, and he also wants to take everyone’s money.
The Amiga community is beyond help.
it’s bizarre mate when i saw “a new AGA era” or whatever it says i thought they were doing a new system. i mean, it would be ill advised but it’d be SOMETHING. as it is, they’re doing NOTHING and we’re expected to foot the bill and basically build it ? NO
AGA was always a stop gap hack of ECS meant to plug the gap until AAA came out. But AAA took so long that it would have been a bit too late. So they started to look at other options that would have been quicker to release. The next gen Amiga chipset should have been in development after the A1000 came out.
Oh and the Vampire Standalone offers an improved classic Amiga. Faster CPU, 16-bit sound etc. Using an FPGA means it’s running on real hardware and can be improved.